In this episode, co-hosts Emma McGrattan and Ole Olesen-Bagneux sit down with Jean-Georges Perrin—better known as JGP—to discuss the future of data products, the limitations of BI, and the importance of federated thinking in an era of real-time everything.

From his early days self-publishing a 300-page C++ guide with a classmate (armed with nothing but Word and a photocopier) to writing Implementing Data Mesh with O’Reilly, JGP reflects on why storytelling, open standards, and metadata will shape the next era of enterprise data.

Together, they explore:

• Why dashboards aren’t data products—and what that reveals about the lifecycle of data.

• The origin story of Bitol and its zero-code approach to defining open standards.

• What’s next for Data Mesh after the GenAI hype wave.

• Why BI might die (and why that’s not a bad thing).

• How federated governance beats both centralized and decentralized extremes.

🎧 Tune in for an honest, funny conversation about the future of data platforms—and why sometimes, it’s more helpful to say what something isn’t.

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