In this episode, co-hosts Emma McGrattan and Ole Olesen-Bagneux sit down with Jovita Tam, a business-focused data and AI advisor and attorney, about the hard truths of AI, governance, and organizational change.

Known for connecting legal, technical, and cultural perspectives, Jovita shares what it really takes to align strategy with execution — and why AI success has more to do with mindset than with models.

Together, they explore:

• Why “data culture” is just culture — and why it’s so difficult to get right.

• The myth of top-down transformation, and what actually drives change.

• What makes AI governance sustainable, and what makes it irrelevant.

• How legal, data, and CX leaders can partner to drive lasting change.

• A practical approach to balancing strategy, trust, and adaptability.

🎧 Tune in for a thoughtful conversation that goes beyond checklists and makes the case for awareness, alignment, and giving organizations the space to evolve.

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